What fallout?
Everything seems to be a-ok. :D

Well ... I guess it makes sense to be pissed.

I just wonder about what exactly.


Did CCP say they'll shut down DUST?

What are dust boards and how exactly do they concern us?

I would personally like to thank all of the DUST514 players that beta tested the game for us.

I'm waiting for Next Fanfest when they announce they're closing EvE and will launch a new space sandbox MMP called Adam in the next two or three years.

Then I will enjoy the sweet, sweet tears as Goonswarm declares 'Mission Accomplished'.

Basically, they're taking everything they've promised for DUST over the past two years, and instead porting them into a new game on a different platform. It would be like CCP putting EVE on life support, making an EVE 2 with all of the ideas they've revealed over the past couple years, and make it a PS4 exclusive.

Very shady business practices, especially when you consider they had promos last week designed to fuel microtransactions when they had to have known this announcement was coming. Looks like "Greed is Good" is alive and well, hopefully it stays out of the EVE portion of the universe this time.

Still confused on how porting and working on Legion some how means the end of DUST on PS3. In a Announcement on the DUST website states that they will both have teams working on them respectively. If anything, in the way DUST paved the way for Legion, the Legion team could come up with things that can be incorporated into DUST and vica versa.

Again didn't see the stream so not entirely sure what was said, but seems like it is unnecessary paranoia.

They showed that, rather than abandon the entire failing enterprise like they did with WoD, they are doing their best to keep it alive in some potentially sustainable form.

That's a kind of commitment.

So....there's absolutely nothing from CCP stating that they're halting work on dust514? All of the characters you have on dust will remain in dust, what's the problem?

If legion is a separate entity from dust, why should there be any character transfer at all? If I *shudder* buy Call of Duty for the PS4 and then for the PC, I won't get to transfer all of my unlocked weapons/killstreaks/prestiges/whatever from PS4 to PC. Different platform and all that.

Still doesn't mean that PS3 version is canned. As I stated while they maybe working on Legion, they still have a crew working on Dust. Some improvements from the former can and might be used on the latter.

The simple fact that CCP has decided to even port over to the PC shows there is still hope for the PS3 version and the IP in general. Shockingly enough there are some who prefer console over PC and some who prefer PC over console, so having the ability to market to both can be beneficial

I see how this can be interpreted wrong, but still not enough to assume CCP is axing Dust.

However now DUST players know how many Eve players feel when it comes to FanFest over the past few years. Most keynotes and features where about DUST or about ways of linking DUST to Eve. Which is also ironic because it sounds like CCP pissed in both bases cheerios by screwing over Eve and not delivering to Dust.



They don't know because there is probably no plans to shut down the PS3 version. The PC version is separate from the PS3 version in regards to the teams working on them.

This all still sounds like paranoia simply because CCP didn't pay as much attention to Dust as they wanted. Not that Dust is being shut down.

I'm pretty sure they were very transparent, and explicitly so. They said they would continue building on dust for the forseable future. Will that forseable future be "less than a year from now"? Possibly, but that is more towards the fact that the PS3 is on it's way out of the market.

They also said that Legion will not be replacing dust, but rather building from it.

Aaaand you played a Beta, not a released title. I'm sure you havent been in many betas, because of the way your tears flow, but let me just tell you that not a lot of them make it as launch titles, and not all of the ones that do continue with their business model *Ask Tera, they went from P2P to P2WF2P, or MWO*

Oh, please have a link with proof of that.

They scrapped the EVE Classic Client because it was too hard to keep up with 2 clients, and all that was was a graphics/engine difference. Yeah, DUST is dead.

DUST is still crap that needs a ton of support and changes to even be made decent. By shifting their focus to the new game, even if they aren't officially closing the servers, they are effectively killing the game, because there is zero chance now that it will actually evolve into the product that was envisioned.

Are you telling us you didn't enjoy playing it?

I bought Nuclear Dawn a long time ago, played it for 2 or 3 weeks, enjoyed the hell out of it, and then stopped playing. I don't even know why I stopped... it was so much fun. (Superior tactics beats superior numbers, even when the teams were at 2 vs 10+.) I spent the $ on the game, got my enjoyment out of it for a short time, and I feel like I got great value.

If you aren't enjoying dust, and feel like you've thrown away good money after bad... well, that's called a "sunk cost fallacy." Stop it. But if you're enjoying it for what it is, power to you. Keep at it. You even still have plenty of time to keep enjoying it for while it lasts.

What's more concerning is this... this announcement alone will cost CCP a whole ton of trust. If they closed down Dust today and said "ok, dust is done, it's legion from now on," I'd say screw that, not gonna touch that mess. But they still have time to handle the transition. They have a chance to do whatever basic playability bug fixes on dust, even if it's not going to be any new feature development. Hell, even any level design, balance tweaks, asset creation, all that will probably hit dust before legion is even launched. But, if they close dust and launch legion, and legion isn't the thing everybody's been dreaming about since the day everyone was disappointed with the "console only" announcement before everyone felt betrayed with the "sony only" announcement... well, then legion will be DOA as well.

As it stands, I wouldn't be even a little bit surprised if the old dust bunnies get huge huge huge advantages with the legion transition. And damn, you guys will have earned it.

Nobody paid to play DUST.

I understand the reason why they are doing this, but this is just a horrible way of breaking the news to the Dust players.

I am not unsympathetic, to a degree.
But you do need to consider that most EVE players felt the same way when DUST was announced to be, at least initially, a PS3 exclusive. We griped, especially those that felt they were funding a game they could or would never play.

In this case however your money spent still serves you in a game that will continue to have work done to it to improve game play, if not add new content.... and that game will still be available to you for at least a year or so.

You may also be able to try a vastly upgraded version of that game with a spiffy transferred character... but if that is not possible at least you will be yards ahead of the rest of the pack when it comes to experience at playing the game.

To be perfectly honest it looks like the technical capabilities promised by Sony are not able to actually be realized in a practical way. CCP seems to have hit a hard limit in what the PS3 platform can actually deliver, and it falls far short of the game they intend to ultimately create. In other words, perhaps they were a bit too trusting.

I believe, when they took stock of the technical issues that just weren't going to ever be solved on the PS3, they cast their eyes on the PS4 and PC platform possibilities with wiser eyes. They had always intended for DUST to head in one or both of those directions eventually.... but now they had the practical experience to make the hard call that the PS4 just wasn't going to have the electronic balls to run the game they intend to create.

I can't find it in my heart to blame them, and it was probably a hard call to make.

On a realistic level, I have a hard time believing that the vast majority of DUST players don't already have at least a basic gaming PC at home as well. The price difference between a basic gaming PC (which also does so much more than a console) frankly isn't that big.

Obviously there will be exceptions, but truthfully there are worse things than finding out that your favorite free to play game ended up having about the same lifespan as most other console games in the end... and if they ever do decide to join the rest of us in this millennium and buy a decent computer at some point they will find a much better developed version of that game they loved waiting for them.

Then explain to me how Dust isn't pay to win. People can buy stuff with real money that gives them an edge over someone that doesn't.

If you say it's been garbage, why have you played it for a year?

I will readily agree with you that they need to quickly come up with some realistic information as to what will be done to fix bugs/stream line game play for the rest of DUSTS life, and give a reasonable expectation on how long that support will last. Otherwise exactly what you stated will occur (and that would be very unfortunate all the way around).

Thanks for explaining the pay to win myth to the other poster. Books on the subject have been written on these forums years ago and I didn't relish the idea of putting that baby to bed all over again.

As to people not owning an actual computer as much any more... well... I'm more inclined to say that younger people tend to prefer more portable solutions such as a phone or tablet (unless they are a gamer). But we are discussing people that are pretty into gaming, and to be honest Legion will likely draw an older crowd (especially if it's ties to EVE are more developed) that depends more heavily on having a decent computer at home for both work and play (and shopping, and banking, and bill paying, and all the other things that are easier and more secure to do on a computer than a phone or tablet).

I'm not dismissing your point out of hand, and certainly not trying to cast younger gamers in a bad light, but I honestly don't know a single adult under the age of 70 that doesn't have a computer at home.

You can purchase a computer capable of playing EVE for far, far less than what a console will cost... so, no offense, but I'm going to have to say "Citation needed".

Fiddle, I'll agree that in an ideal world they would evolve DUST into something that will play equally well on both PC and on a PS4.

However if it's a choice between developing the game we all want to see, or remaining limited because you want to keep it on the PS3 / PS4 also, I'm sorry but I going to have to support their decision.

I'm a little confused as to why people are getting so upset over a game that is free to download and play?

This isn't minecraft where you literally paid for a beta that never got finished - you don't have to spend a dime and you're an idiot if you ever did.